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hothead 05-26-2025 12:06 PM

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<b>albanec</b>, nice read
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albanec 05-26-2025 12:07 PM

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If you've been reading most of my guides you'd know by now that I like to be at the bleeding edge of technology. I always try to discover new ways to bypass new shit or break even newer shit up. Having this approach to technology is the only way to keep up with advances in payment and site security.<br/>
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And whats more bleeding edge than <font color="#00BFFF">AI agents</font>? Today we'll dive into what <font color="#00BFFF">AI agents</font> are their possible relationship with <font color="#FF4500">carding</font> and how we might exploit them for more profit.<br/>
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<font color="White"><div align="center"><font size="5">AI Agents ​</font></div></font><br/>
<font color="#00BFFF">AI agents</font> are autonomous software systems that can operate independently to perform tasks online. Unlike traditional <font color="#FF8C00">bots</font> that follow fixed scripts, these fuckers can actually think make decisions and navigate websites just like a human would.<br/>
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Picture this: an <font color="#00BFFF">AI agent</font> is basically a digital ghost that possesses a web browser. It can click buttons fill forms, navigate menus and complete transactions without human intervention. Platforms like <a href="https://openai.com" target="_blank"><font color="#00BFFF">OpenAIs ChatGPT Operator</font></a> <a href="https://manus.ai" target="_blank"><font color="#00BFFF">Chinas Manus AI</font></a> and <a href="https://replit.com" target="_blank"><font color="#00BFFF">Replits</font></a> agent framework are leading this charge.<br/>
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<div align="center"><img alt="" border="0" class="bbCodeImage" src="https://i.imgur.com/yYMldKU.png"/></div><br/>
What makes these agents interesting for our purposes is that they don't just follow predefined paths—they <font color="#00FF00">adapt</font>, <font color="#00FF00">troubleshoot</font> and execute complex tasks like a human would. Want to book a flight? Find a hotel? Buy some shit online? These agents can handle it all.<br/>
Video: <a href="https://media-hosting.imagekit.io/42dbfd6aaf05434c/video.mp4?Expires=1840302424&amp;Key-Pair-Id=K2ZIVPTIP2VGHC&amp;Signature=D-Qjc7bpny2U7CQ8bp-IX3rmykCw8EbJAxPhxXzg35JcV~~KmsJ1r3gK8vYjl~xgJ8iBy kDz5veSGeGsGRgQe6YBOZhuq92kE6MpiZRNTRDEjcmbnAVsq46 IK0hboK-cSe7SXThfo1nY8uwhm7GTOZXyKKKszl3L0~S41fKGM3ad4bn1z wbQz6VakUagSY0gABMeMnM8vffPjI-VKD9j0QrqrZ~hnTEBqi3IRnuQtDzQ3pxOfd1pUHB9OPHd6DwdX ~JWZimpQZoKywM6qZHp8Xcc4CC8yUBf4v~hKwHVVr7hYCvbGXG aRB7dei1k04YLuLRb-ChNFxGDXO-0IA1WVA__" target="_blank">https://media-hosting.imagekit.io/42...GDXO-0IA1WVA__</a><br/>
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The technical shit works like this: The system takes screenshots of the browser feeds them to an <font color="#00BFFF">AI vision model</font> that identifies whats on screen then the AI decides what action to take next. "See that Add to Cart button? Click there." The browser executes the command, takes another screenshot and the cycle repeats. All this happens in milliseconds creating a feedback loop that mimics human browsing behavior.<br/>
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<div align="center"><img alt="" border="0" class="bbCodeImage" src="https://i.imgur.com/YDuHW81.png"/>​</div><br/>
The promise? In the future you could potentially feed your agent a list of cards and have it <font color="#FF4500">card</font> a bunch of sites while you kick back with a beer. That's not fantasy—that's where this tech is headed.<br/>
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<font color="white"><div align="center"><font size="5">Architecture and Antifraud ​</font></div></font><br/>
What really keeps payment companies awake at night isn't just the idea that <font color="#FF4500">carders</font> can get an <font color="#00BFFF">AI slave</font> to do transactions. Hell, you could pay some random dude on <font color="#00BFFF">Fiverr</font> to do that. No whats making them shit bricks is that the infrastructure of these <font color="#00BFFF">AI platforms</font> fundamentally undermines all the tools their <font color="#FF8C00">antifraud systems</font> use to block transactions.<br/>
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Let's break down a typical <font color="#00BFFF">AI agent platform</font> like <font color="#00BFFF">ChatGPT Operator</font>:<br/>
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See these platforms run on cloud-based <font color="#00BFFF">Linux</font> servers with automated <font color="#00BFFF">Chrome</font> browsers. Every agent session launches from the same data center IPs owned by companies like <font color="#00BFFF">OpenAI</font> or <font color="#00BFFF">Manus</font>. When you use <font color="#00BFFF">Operator</font> your request isn't coming from your home IP—its coming from <font color="#00BFFF">OpenAIs</font> servers in some <font color="#00BFFF">AWS</font> data center in <font color="#00BFFF">Virginia</font>.<br/>
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<div align="center"><img alt="" border="0" class="bbCodeImage" src="https://i.imgur.com/Jdfztpq.png"/></div><br/>
These browsers are identical across sessions. Same version of <font color="#00BFFF">Chrome</font>, same OS same configurations same fucking everything. Where your personal browser has unique fingerprints—installed extensions fonts, screen resolution etc.—these cloud browsers are like mass-produced clones. They're either running headless (invisible) or in a virtual display to fake being a real browser.<br/>
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Anti-fraud systems typically flag suspicious activity based on:<ul><li><font color="#FF8C00">IP reputation</font> (data center IPs are suspicious)</li>
<li><font color="#FF8C00">Device fingerprinting</font> (identical fingerprints across multiple users scream fraud)</li>
<li><font color="#FF8C00">Behavioral patterns</font> (humans don't fill forms in 0.5 seconds)</li>
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<div align="center"><img alt="" border="0" class="bbCodeImage" src="https://i.imgur.com/Wabej0c.png"/></div><br/>
But when legitimate <font color="#00BFFF">AI agents</font> create this exact pattern at scale fraud systems face a dilemma: block the AI traffic and lose legitimate business or allow it through and potentially open the floodgates to <font color="#FF4500">fraud</font>.<br/>
Its like a prison where all the inmates and guards suddenly wear identical uniforms. How the fuck do you tell who's who?<br/>
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<font color="white"><div align="center"><font size="5">The Upcoming Golden Age of Agentic Carding</font> ​</div></font><br/>
"But albanec, if that's true then I can just grab a plan of an <font color="#00BFFF">AI agent</font> and hit <font color="#00BFFF">Booking</font> and all other hard-to-hit sites?" Not so fast homie. There's still a huge factor making this impossible right now: there simply aren't enough people using <font color="#00BFFF">AI agents</font> yet.<br/>
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Currently this tech is janky and costly, and only tech enthusiasts give a shit about it. Unless <font color="#00BFFF">OpenAI</font> forces them to companies have no incentive to whitelist and approve transactions made using <font color="#00BFFF">AI agents</font>. Ive tried it myself multiple times and most transactions still get rejected.<br/>
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The golden age we're anticipating is the sweet spot where:<ul><li><font color="#00FF00">Enough normal people are using AI agents</font> that companies are forced to accept their transactions</li>
<li><font color="#FF8C00">Antifraud systems haven't yet caught up</font> with ways to fingerprint and distinguish between legitimate and fraudulent agent use</li>
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This window of opportunity is coming—maybe within a year. When companies start losing millions by declining legitimate <font color="#00BFFF">AI agent</font> transactions they'll have to adapt. They'll start whitelisting known agent IPs and browser fingerprints creating a massive vulnerability we can exploit.<br/>
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<img alt="" border="0" class="bbCodeImage" src="https://i.imgur.com/L6uBLxR.png"/> <br/>
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Think of it like this: If banks suddenly decided that everyone wearing a blue shirt must be trustworthy, what would criminals do? They'd all start wearing fucking blue shirts.<br/>
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The true vulnerability isn't just that agents can automate <font color="#FF4500">carding</font>—its that legitimate agent traffic creates cover for <font color="#FF4500">fraudulent</font> agent traffic because they look identical to antifraud systems.<br/>
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<font color="white"><div align="center"><font size="5">Where The Rubber Meets The Road ​</font></div></font><br/>
I'm not a fortune teller so I don't know exactly how this will play out. Maybe there are already sites that have struck deals with <font color="#00BFFF">OpenAI</font> to pre-approve agent transactions—that's for you to discover through testing.<br/>
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What I do know is that as these agents become more mainstream <font color="#FF8C00">fraud prevention</font> will need to shift from "human vs. bot" detection to "good intent vs. bad intent" detection. They'll need to look beyond the technical fingerprints to patterns in behavior and context.<br/>
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For now agent platforms are still too new and untrusted to be reliable <font color="#FF4500">carding tools</font>. But watch this space closely—when mainstream adoption forces companies to accept agent-initiated transactions, there will be a window of opportunity before security catches up.<br/>
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The uniformity of agent infrastructure creates the perfect storm: legitimate transactions that look identical to <font color="#FF4500">fraudulent</font> ones forcing companies to lower their security standards to avoid false positives.<br/>
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When that day comes, I'll be here saying I told you so. The only question is whether you'll be ready to capitalize on it.
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