section8 (https://club2crd.cc/member.php?u=139533)
icq 656997389
ripped for $540
he supposed to get vcc and send my split not later next day but he did not. it is about one week passed already. he does not understand what means to pay on time .received today $96 so the rest is 636-96=540
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656997389 (section8) (17.02.2019 16:15): ok. *****
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nicecall777 (07.03.2019 13:18): ***** we divide loose **** between us so you owe 136 yes ?
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656997389 (section8) (07.03.2019 13:18): bro, I am willing to take loss with you, YES
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nicecall777 (14.03.2019 19:45): you got 1000 balance card , we agreed you pay my split from a card balance (not from amount charged)
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656997389 (section8) (14.03.2019 19:48): Yes, I said I will pay you. But I don't know what the fuck is wrong with that card. I couldn't charge it. I even tried paypal, couldn't charge it. I wanna use my processor accoun to charge it later. But with your attitude, I don't think I wanna charge that card anymore. You have such a very bad attitude
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nicecall777 (14.03.2019 19:55): you have time till 3pm to pay 636
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656997389 (section8) (14.03.2019 19:56): bro, don't wait
656997389 (section8) (14.03.2019 19:56): report me now</pre>

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656997389 (section8) (17.02.2019 16:15): ok. *****
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nicecall777 (07.03.2019 13:18): ***** we divide loose **** between us so you owe 136 yes ?
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656997389 (section8) (07.03.2019 13:18): bro, I am willing to take loss with you, YES
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nicecall777 (14.03.2019 19:45): you got 1000 balance card , we agreed you pay my split from a card balance (not from amount charged)
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656997389 (section8) (14.03.2019 19:48): Yes, I said I will pay you. But I don't know what the fuck is wrong with that card. I couldn't charge it. I even tried paypal, couldn't charge it. I wanna use my processor accoun to charge it later. But with your attitude, I don't think I wanna charge that card anymore. You have such a very bad attitude
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nicecall777 (14.03.2019 19:55): you have time till 3pm to pay 636
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656997389 (section8) (14.03.2019 19:56): bro, don't wait
656997389 (section8) (14.03.2019 19:56): report me now</pre>
I am gonna get straight to the point. I have not ripped him!!
1. For you to say I ripped you, it means I must have taken your money and not paid you an agreed percentage. I have not taken this guy's money. It is very important that I start my defense from there.
2. As a former forum admin myself, I have moderated many cases of rip-off and I understand alot of cases can be empty. Therefore, it is important that each party present proof of their case, not just an issue of who is the loudest. I implore the admin to advise the plaintiff to present proof of these accusations.
3. I promised the plaintiff that I will pay him $136, not because I took money from him, but I promised I will pay him $136 as a show of good will because I desired to work with him on a long term basis. And this is how he has decided to repay my good will.
4. He said I owe him $500, I never took his card, I never charged his card. He has online access to the card and could see I didn't charge it. Please as him to present proof that I infact took money off his card.
It is a pity that myself and this guy have worked together for several weeks and I have paid him every single penny due to him. I guess not everyone is a responsible partner.
I will rest my case for now and let the moderator input on the matter.
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nicecall777, where did you send him money?

https://snag.gy/8lO7pY.jpg
This is the image of when I promised him that $136. It is not money from a deal made and I refuse to pay his cut. It was a show of good will. I cannot believe this guy would repay me like this.
https://snag.gy/fAqInF.jpg
This is the screen of me sending him $96 out of the $136 and promising to send him the other $40 soon as I have other deals completed with other partners.
I also believe it is important for me to add that the screen of our conversation that he posted has been EDITTED. He is not posting the true conversation that we had. I have the actual screenshot, not just text. If the moderator want, I will send the entire screen to him privately.
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i did not understand the question. i sent him vcc in icq via privnote , will send you screenshots in pm
since his cashout method is too slow we agreed to work from a card balance but not for amount charged and i guaranteed a card balance for 1 hour. during this period he successfully charged 4 minideps and there was no declined transactions. so when he says he never took and never charged a card it is not a true .i sent him card info twice , first on 10/03 and repeatedly on 13/03
i do not need to present a proof that he took money off a card , just enough a proof of a card balance . when he says he could not charge a card it does not mean that a card is bad , but that means he simply could not bypass merchant antifraud
656997389 (section8) (10.03.2019 22:04): bro, if you have another card, I can load it on another setup
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nicecall777 (10.03.2019 23:47): https://privnote.com/IMvcQ*********w0co
656997389 (section8) (10.03.2019 23:50): microdeposits
nicecall777 (10.03.2019 23:51): 03/10/2019 7196 USD (1.23) PR*************TA US Outstanding Purchase Complete 03/10/2019 7196 USD (1.24) PR**************TA US Outstanding Purchase Complete
656997389 (section8) (10.03.2019 23:51): 2nd microdeposit
nicecall777 (10.03.2019 23:52): 03/10/2019 7196 USD (1.09) BL************TA US Outstanding Purchase Complete 03/10/2019 7196 USD (1.10) BL**************TA US Outstanding Purchase Complete
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656997389 (section8) (11.03.2019 00:05): they locked my account. Calling them now to unlock. Hang on bro
656997389 (section8) (11.03.2019 00:06): immediately I added the card, account got locked
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nicecall777 (12.03.2019 23:22): a couple of days ago i sent you two cards 2175 and 7196 totally 2.5k , but received payment just ***********=787 , what are you waiting for ?
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656997389 (section8) (13.03.2019 00:54): the other card didn't work that day. I didn't even save the details
656997389 (section8) (13.03.2019 00:54): if you still have it, check balance and send it to me. I will try to charge it
656997389 (section8) (13.03.2019 00:54): but I didn't save it cos it didn't work
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656997389 (section8) (13.03.2019 01:00): you were online that day when I tried to charge it but it kept giving error. I asked if card is good, then I called my bank to find out what is going on. That was the end of the chapter. I am not blaming you for anything
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nicecall777 (13.03.2019 01:07): https://privnote.com/GAAQ**************GZb
nicecall777 (13.03.2019 01:12): this is the last time i waste my time to check a card you could not finish on time
because he could not finish that card in 2 days ,card balance changed and i lost since on the beginning we worked from amount charged. if he would not share that loss with me we would simply stop working .so there is no need to talk here about "show of good will"
656997389 (section8) (07.03.2019 02:32): let's make money tomorrow
656997389 (section8) (07.03.2019 09:12): can you check if the 0211 card is still good?
nicecall777 (07.03.2019 13:00): no good
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nicecall777 (07.03.2019 13:07): what "Let's make money" are you talking about ? i just loose a card balance of USD 545.50 because you could not finish it in time but you even do not care about it. you just want to make money on your side and ignore when others loose
656997389 (section8) (07.03.2019 13:08): bro, I hate to lose even $1
656997389 (section8) (07.03.2019 13:08): that $545.50 is also my loss
656997389 (section8) (07.03.2019 13:08): if I cash it, I make money too
656997389 (section8) (07.03.2019 13:08): I stayed up late to ensure I charge the card
656997389 (section8) (07.03.2019 13:09): you are wrong bro, I care about every single $$
656997389 (section8) (07.03.2019 13:09): that is why I sit here everyday thinking about how to cashout better and faster
656997389 (section8) (07.03.2019 13:10): I have processor setup, but they want me to confirm bank drop and stuffs like that, that is why I am not using them yet cos if I charge the card, fund will not be available fast
656997389 (section8) (07.03.2019 13:11): how can you say I don't care? Have I not proven myself enough already?
nicecall777 (07.03.2019 13:18): ok 545 * 50 % = 272 we divide loose 50/50 between us so you owe 136 yes ?
656997389 (section8) (07.03.2019 13:18): bro, I am willing to take loss with you, YES
so you trying to say i am a cheater or a liar ? show at least one letter or word i faked or modified in our conversation
yes i hid all sensitive info with *** and skipped all unimportant . or maybe you want me to open a full names of a merchants you used to cashout for everyone ?
656997389 (section8) (26.02.2019 20:32):
Do me a favor bro, don't share my method with anyone. i came up with it months ago. i don't want it killed
already forgot about this ?

...will send you screenshots in pm
When he said screenshot, please see if I took is money or if his money is still intact. That will settle this once and for us. Then you can determine if I ripped him or not. This is character assassination and it is unfair.
...when he says he could not charge a card it does not mean that a card is bad , but that means he simply could not bypass merchant antifraud
The Agreement was for him to get his cut for cards that I am using. Not for cards I NEVER USED. This is not a question of me using the card and not finishing it. I didn't use it at all and I told him immediately. Please look at this with a fair eye, did I rip anyone? If I am to be tagged a ripper - someone who took money from another partner and cheated them - is this the case?

...so you trying to say i am a cheater or a liar ? show at least one letter or word i faked or modified in our conversation
I am a professional and with all due respect to the moderator, I will not get into petty argument about who being a liar or not. You called me a ripper and that is the case I am going to defend. I don't wanna get into irrelevant argument.

we agreed he pays my split from a card balance (but not from the amount charged !!!) , looks like he does not understand the difference , in this case it does not matter if he charged a card in full or not , after he opened privnote and got card info it is considered used since i can not give the same vcc in several hands. when he said he did not use it at all this is not a true since he successfully charged 4 minideps and they already posted on a card statement

https://txgate.io/images/smilies/ragelol.pnghttps://txgate.io/images/smilies/ragelol.pnghttps://txgate.io/images/smilies/ragelol.png WOW!!!
So, I am a ripper because I opened the privnote you sent me and didn't pay you right after I opened the privnote? Is this how things work now? After all the money we have made together? ARE YOU SERIOUS BRO?!!
WOW!!!!!!
ok, I will leave this to the moderator to determine.
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nicecall777, but he didn't cashout this vcc, I saw only small 1-2$ transactions on statement.

we agreed he pays my split from initial card balance but not from cashout, in this case it does not matter if he cashed it out or not

That's just nonsense!
Asking me to pay his share for a card I never used? You are telling me it doesn't matter if your card work or not, the second I open your privnote I already owe you money? Then you come here to call me a ripper, although your money is still intact? Is this a joke?
Moderator, in my humble opinion, this matter should never make it to the forum. This is a matter that should have been resolved privately as gentlemen. Unfortunately @nicecall777 think every matter has to be resolved with aggression and force.
Moderator, if no wrongdoing have been found in me, can you please acquit me, call this a mistrial and close thread?
Thank you
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you agreed to work on such conditions so there is no need to talk about nonsense here
don't twist my words. i said it does not matter if a card is cashed or not. the fact that you can not bypass your merchant antifraud and send a charge to a card does not mean that a card it not working. we can say that a card is not working if there is some declined translation on it (in our case there was no declined transactions)
yes a ripper is right definition for a person who refuse to comply with the terms of the agreement and pay agreed split
you refused to pay and comply with the terms of the agreement so yes blacklist was the last option

I can't find this agreement on your logs.

first he refused this agreement but later after he saw i stopped giving him a work he agreed to pay upfront
nicecall777 (07.03.2019 13:33): your cash out way is too slow and takes me a lot of time to accompany (prepare card, change address, check mini deps, check balance again, next day check if card is still good and check balance again and so on and so on) , usually i prepare a card send it to cashier get me split and forgot about it. the only one way how we can work is i send you a card and guarantee its balance for a max of 1 hour (my split is from a card balance but not from amount charged) if you are not able to cash out during 1 hour you take risks on your own
nicecall777 (07.03.2019 13:33): remove it
656997389 (section8) (07.03.2019 13:55): Right now, I have not started making large profit from our deal. I have been investing in drops, documents, cashout systems. I will do this after 2 or more deals and I have profit saved up already. Right now, I don't have any profit saved up to pay you, even if I want to pay you.
656997389 (section8) (07.03.2019 13:57): Also, I can do this depending on the balance on the card. If the balance is really high, it will take more time. If the balance is like $800 or $900, I can pay you upfront. But let's do this only after I start to make profit, not right now
656997389 (section8) (07.03.2019 15:02): https://privnote.com/ban*********vl
656997389 (section8) (07.03.2019 15:02): those are today's addresses
656997389 (section8) (08.03.2019 00:45): bro, are we gonna work today?
656997389 (section8) (08.03.2019 16:49): I guess we are not working no more
656997389 (section8) (08.03.2019 16:49): ok, not a problem
656997389 (section8) (09.03.2019 15:48): ok bro, I just completed another work with other partners.
656997389 (section8) (09.03.2019 15:48): I can now pay you your full share on the first day you send the card
656997389 (section8) (09.03.2019 15:49): but card balance cannot be more than $800
656997389 (section8) (09.03.2019 15:49): after this $800, I think I will be able to move to $1200
656997389 (section8) (09.03.2019 15:49): let me know if you agree and we make some money today
later he confirmed the fact of this agreement
nicecall777 (14.03.2019 19:45): you got 1000 balance card , we agreed you pay my split from a card balance (not from amount charged)
656997389 (section8) (14.03.2019 19:48): Yes, I said I will pay you. But I don't know what the fuck is wrong with that card. I couldn't charge it. I even tried paypal, couldn't charge it. I wanna use my processor accoun to charge it later. But with your attitude, I don't think I wanna charge that card anymore. You have such a very bad attitude

Good God help me! What does this Nicecall777 guy want from me? I have paid him for every deal we have made. All of a sudden, he wants to take me down?
I thought this topic is closed.
Anyway, lemme explain again from the top. Usually, when Nicecall777 send me cc, I charge them but I don't pay him until I get the cash in my account. Sometimes, I take 2 or 3 days to empty the entire card. Then, he wanted to terminate our deal because he said he couldn't wait 2-3days to get his money.
That was when I told him I would pay him his cut of all amounts charged immediately and not wait until funds clear to my account.
THERE WAS NO TIME I AGREED TO PAY HIM FOR CARDS I DIDN'T CHARGE. Why in the world would anyone agree to pay for cards they are not charging? Why would anyone foolishly agree to pay for a card just cos they opened privnote? I don't even have online access to the cards.
Moderator, you saw for yourself that I DID NOT charge the card in question. Therefore, I cannot be accused of any wrongdoing. This is a smear on my reputation and an attempt to assassinate my character. How can he continually call me a ripper if I have not taken his money?
If no further wrongdoing is found from me, if no proof cannot be shown that I took his money, I think the best thing to do is to close the case and close the topic.
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The deal was to pay upfront of cards I am using. Not upfront when I opened privnote. I never charged your card. I didn't use it cos of the continual lashing you were giving me.
You treat your partners like they are your slaves. You talk people down without thinking about how your words make people feel. You act like you are a big deal and nothing you do or say must be questioned.
It was for these reasons that I decided to not use your card. Then you came here to tell everyone I ripped you because I refuse to use your card? How exactly do you think that would pan out?
C'mon man! This is 2019!
You said you cannot send the card to someone else. NO! That is not true. You have online access and can change the details of the cards at any point. I think the only reason you didn't send the card to someone else is cos you don't have anyone else to send the card to.
I work hard for our deals. I work to ensure we make money. But you never appreciate my effort. Instead, you go one complaining every time and talking me down. I hope you find what you are looking for. I am a professional and will not get nasty with you. I will leave things as they are.
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you are a liar. i never said like this. the reason why i terminated our deal was the fact that you could not finish a card during 1 hour period and since card balance changed i lose ,this is why i said that the only one way how we can continue to work is you pay my split from initial card balance but not from amount charged
read carefully logs marked with red .you should better think it before you agreed to work but not now. everything else is just philosophy of a person who refuse to comply with terms of the agreement and pay agreed split

I'm done with this childish bickering back and forth. I didn't take your money, I don't owe you no money, period!
I will let the moderator determine where we go from here. I am tired of this endless childish argument.
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Closed.