member kokoforsure https://crdclub.su/member.php?u=201809 @ kokoforsure
Claim ammount £328 (but better to ban him till he done more damage)
Situation is i have booked two airbnb's last weekend from him. Guests checked in ok and he was screaming for payent straight after check in, i paid him for both. Both got cancelled and on saturday hosts stormed places, in one asking for full payment or police be called (people paid full ammount) second one they just kicked my guests. Kokoforsure only refunded me for one claiming that tools cost him and my guests got two days of the stay for the apartment. I explained him that i have not received service that i have paid for therefore he has to refund money in full or call the host so he takes my gusts back to the apartment. He is refusing. Clearly he do not cares about rat status (see logs) and that explains a lot about him. Thank you for your time. Logs below:
https://ibb.co/tC5rkY4
https://ibb.co/hZT4qG4
https://ibb.co/rmrr8KV
https://ibb.co/HVLKY3m
https://ibb.co/NYC3R3g
https://ibb.co/BN16VFF
https://ibb.co/68vTjbh
https://ibb.co/hRW4VQV
https://ibb.co/N6LwKwr
https://ibb.co/KwBwDXh
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member notified via telegram and pm forum
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Forgot to mention that he wouldn't even wanted to refund me for one unless i type agree that i will not claim for both. Anyways full logs available.
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Cherry on the cake is his response after notifying about the report
https://ibb.co/FzCysMG

I booked two apartments for this Rabbit without a brain. the first apartment started 30th April- 3rd May. they check-in successful and he asked me if I can book another starting 1st-4th may I said Okay. I booked the second apartment successfully and I sent it to him. he paid for all. Unfortunately, the second apartment got canceled on 2rd may which is the Sunday after the guests have check-in on 1st of may then I agreed I will refund it because I know Airbnb payout host within 24hours of check-in and he told me they paid the host with cash which he showed the proof. then the first apartment got canceled but without any refund from Airbnb back to the card I used. They just email the first apartment host about the cancellation and Airbnb has paid the host already which I know very well. He asked for a refund for that also I said no. show me proof that guests at the first apartment paid the host like the second apartment guests. because his guests have used 3 days free at the apartment and they were supposed to check out on the 3rd of May. He cannot provide proof and he wants to threaten me. I apologize to him but he doesn't want to listen. I think he's trying to play his game with me. SHOW ME A PROOF the first apartment guests pay the host and I will contact the host as well to confirm it.

I have proofs that i paid YOU for service witch my guests did not received. Easy as that. lets wait for moderator to bring conclusion to this. Do not stress and send insults, that is not helping you.

show me proof that the first apartment guests paid the host like the second apartment guests paid the host and I refunded you for that second apartment.
were your guests kicked out the first day they check-in? they were not kicked out until the last day which is Sunday 2rd may after the check-in on Friday 30th of April.

yes my guest got kicked out on his daughters birthday from the property you said there will be no chargeback or problems. You done nothing when i gave you chance to contact the host and speak with him to let guests back in. Anyways proofs are there, comments are there. Let's wait

here we go again. lies lie lies.
I told you Airbnb booking rarely got canceled. before I made the first booking he was pressuring me is my booking 100%. I told him carding is never 100% because I'm not using my own card.
Airbnb canceled the booking, not because of chargeback. It because of suspicious transactions on the account. they have actually paid the first apartment host that is why he didn't hold them or ask them to pay for the 2 days used.
I told you I'm very sorry for this and I apologize but you don't want to listen.
even your booking.com guy will tell you this. carding is never 100% get that right.
so don't tell me they kicked them out during his daughter birthday. that is a big lies. because are single people guys just having fun nothing like birthday. I will ask the host about all this shit.

What are you trying to do now, is find some inconsistency in my words, that will never happen my man. I have no reason to lie or deceive anybody. Even that money is not priority for me, i don what i wanted witch is expose you to forum so nobody else will get same. You will get what you deserved for this. End of story wait for MAK

you said even that money is not a priority you, right? your guests used two days out of 3 days and the third day was already half-day when they were kicked out. I was very calm and good with you. what did you say next that I should refund all your money. what did you take me for? I don't know how Airbnb works? and you are trying to play your stunt on me threatened me with a forum report that I'm a rat and I should be banned
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here is where he was threatened me
https://prnt.sc/12hjbtf

This is where he was threatened me

kokoforsure, refund him money for first CANCELLED booking too. Don't provide booking service if you can't make it without chargebacks.

@mak. there is no chargebacks. the guests actually used the 2 days out of 3 days and host was paid by airbnb. ask him if the host ask his guests to pay? like the second apartment host did.
I'm here to provide my service. not to rip. he cannot play that kind of game with me.

look at the proof here.
A request by host asking for money after the guests checkout they actually damage and stole many things in the apartment.
if the host were actually not paid. why is he asked for money for damages?

You did not provided service as guests were kicked out, now you just looking for excuses.

why would I look for an excuse?
@Mak you are welcome. I will give you access to airbnb account I used to book the apartment to see card was not chargeback and airbnb paid the host.
I know what I'm saying because I have been booking airbnb for years.

Were the guests kicked out of apartment? Yes. Were there problems with the booking? Yes. Did i paid you for both bookings? Yes. I do not see anything to add or to take away

were the guests kicked out of the apartment? yes. were the guests asked to pay for the apartment? No. were the guests partying clearly saying no party? yes.
were your guests not in the apartment for 2 days out of 3 days booking? yes
did Airbnb pay the host? yes
Airbnb cancel booking does not mean they chargeback and they re-instate the Airbnb account
what exactly are you trying to talk about here?

Explain to public what was the reason guest were kicked out. It's on the screenshots i posted if anyone wants to see it.

you guests were not supposed to party in the house and also caused a lot of damage and stole things in the house.
answer the question truthfully.
were your guests asked to pay for the 2 days used before they were kicked out?

Reason for them being kicked out is problems with airbnb account and that is clearly seen in our chat history. Guests for this apartment were not asked to pay, but i paid you for service witch my guests did not received. Simple as that. I allready told you that it was his daughters birthday so do not pretend you don't know that. Anyways i am not going to comment no more let's wait for the decision as you starting to take more of my time and i would rather forget about you.

oh yeah. you are claiming you paid the service I didn't deny. you never get my point here. I will not refund for the 2 days that your guests used at the apartment. Let me ask you this if the guests were actually used all their 3 days without being kicked out and Airbnb later canceled the booking after they have checkout will you ask me for a refund?
WHAT I'M OWING YOU IS 1 NIGHT that they didn't use and you were lying here like they didn't get the service at all?
LET PUT THIS WAY FOR YOU. IF I ISSUED A ROUND TRIP FLIGHT TICKET FOR YOU. ONE PART OF WAS USED AND THE RETURN WAS CANCELED. DO YOU EXPECT ME TO REFUND THE AMOUNT OF THE TICKET AFTER YOU HAVE USED THE ONE-WAY TICKET? WHAT I WILL DO IS TO REISSUE THE RETURN FLIGHT OR REFUND YOUR MONEY.
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LET PUT THIS WAY FOR YOU. IF I ISSUED A ROUND TRIP FLIGHT TICKET FOR YOU. ONE PART OF WAS USED AND THE RETURN WAS CANCELED. DO YOU EXPECT ME TO REFUND THE FULL AMOUNT OF THE TICKET AFTER YOU HAVE USED THE ONE-WAY TICKET? WHAT I WILL DO IS TO REISSUE THE RETURN TICKET OR REFUND THE HALF MONEY OF WHAT YOU PAID.

If they kicked out the guest before check out date, That means there was a chargeback, it doesn't matter if the guest used 1 or 2 days out of the actual 3 days. your services still didnt complete and you also need to think about the inconvenience you caused the guest as well.

shut up. mind your business.
you all think with your ass.
if you don't know the risk of carding then don't do it.
do you think that flight tickets,hotels, cars or shopping to address c
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shut up. mind your business.
you all think with your ass.
if you don't know the risk of carding then don't do it.
do you think that flight tickets,hotels, or car rental anything cannot open if you card them.
did you use your own card to card them? NO
any thing can happen prepare for the risk.
if you don't how Airbnb or carding works stay in your line.

Dont worry just stating the fact,you are living in denial. Probably you are new to carding world. Guest or client wont bear your loss. Nevermind you will soon earn ripper status now...

haha for someone who cannot mind his own business. lol. you are just an attention seeker. that is all.
when someone ripped me in this same forum weeks ago where were you? he was a member like you registered in 2018 I trusted him and what did he do he ran away with my money.
I think the best thing for you is to just shut your mouth and mind your business. I'm coming for you after this.

kokoforsure......pay privateN0 and move on......
you loss some, you win some !!!

Still waiting for conclusion for this. There was attempt from his side to refund me for one day i made clear that my claim is here on black and it is not for one day, so we waiting from decision from moderator.

@mak I have decided to refund the one night his guests didn't use out of the 3 nights. he refused to accept. I will not refund the full 3 nights because his guests didn't pay the host.
thanks

You need to refund him for the total duration of his stay. The client was inconvenienced and also put in a very embarrassing situation. The terms of your agreement were 3 days not day by day. The fact that you want the client to pay you for the days he stayed is ridiculous and a clear indicator you don’t know what you are doing. The customer comes first ALWAYS a pitty you don’t see that

Lol u are the ripper..RAT

kokoforsure, hey

Flooding is prohibited on "Black List" section.

blek budet dalshe ignoritsa?

Вы не предоставили доказательств того, что ваши гости заплатили хозяину, и я был готов вернуть деньги за одну ночь, которую они не использовали.

So what is gonna be with this one, i opened black a month ago. Person not under unsolved problems and he did not paid claim amount.

@Mak he didn't provide any proof his guests paid the host the 3 nights. I already asked him to send me his bitcoin wallet to refund one night the guests didn't use it but he refused. if you check our conversation really well. they are two bookings I refunded the other one fully because his guests were just spending one night and he provided proof they paid the host.

kokoforsure, what proofs do you want to see?

@mak proof that his guests paid the host after 2 nights spent in the house. the host was paid by Airbnb that is why he didn't ask them to pay because no host will allow the guests to leave without collecting payment for the two nights. he was actually following Airbnb rules that is why he asked them to leave the house.

This is getting ridiculous.. I have paid YOU! Guest were asked to leave because of problems with airbnb account, it can be seen in our chat history from here https://ibb.co/0Vd3HdQ then here https://ibb.co/xzZcJZV and here https://ibb.co/fX5KtC1 do not change your song, just return me my money and that's it or go away as a ripper.

I'm not here to fight or rip people. you need to understand the reality here and you cannot provide proof that your guests paid the host before they were asked to leave. did you know they stole things in the apartment and broke things also?
you have threatened and bullying me with that I'm still here to make peace.
I'm ready to refund one night your guests didn't use.
you can call or text the host to ask if Airbnb paid him or not because no host will allow the guests to leave without payment first and you know that
Airbnb always pays their host 24 hours after guests check-in and your guests were asked to leave after 48 hours.
airbnb rules about payout
https://www.airbnb.com/help/article/...-get-my-payout

The last time I made an honest impartial comment @www gave me an infraction for what I do not know. I did not call any member names or make any insults directed at any particular member but here I go again.
@kokoforsure @mak if PrivatnO resells this service which I'm sure he has and his guests got kicked out because the booking was not done properly or there was some unforeseen issue and his guests paid him for 3 nights and they stayed one night it is obvious he has to repay the guests for the entirety of their stay. air bnb's policy has nothing to do with the fact that he had to repay the guests.
if I buy a meal and halfway eating it I realized half of my food was not properly cooked, do you expect me to pay for the half I ate? of course not! the member has trusted him with the safety and comfort of his clients and he did not fulfill the terms of the arrangement and it is not only common courtesy that he repays him but it is his right to do so as a vendor.
I hope this situation is resolved in your favor @privatnO but you never know with these things. cheers